Maybe, but I get it. It would be the first thing I would do. Work or training, never really much time for anything else.

[And when he did it was always something related to such things or an event they had to deal with which was work-related.]

It's hard to get out of habits. It's what I'm trying to do. But we can explore as well...sure that would also be training, but we would also be looking around and see what there is.